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and there. petty thefts but it was adding up and it's a federal crime. so the fbi staked out these trucks and filmed them stealing. we pulled the trucks back to the loading dock in oklahoma. these are trucks from koch industry, trucks that had an agreement that they were just cheating. it wasn't just driver stealing off the top and selling them to broke broque ers. not exact but because on the loading dock a big tall white guy was standing there saying i want more, more overage. now overage, term used for the skim and the guy standing there calling for more ore bridge was charles should -- charles koch i have one question as an investigator. the guy was already worth billions at that time. today he's worth over $20 billion. he got it from his daddy who had built oil refineries for joe stalin and made a billion and came back to the u.s. and founded the john birch society so the koch brothers got their money field fascist way. silvie already had his billions, so why? why does he need a couple of bucks from a poor indian family in the middle of oklahoma? and i know the answer because the s
agencies who carry firearms in the government. i don't mind the police or the fbi, well, the department of agricultural has a swat team. the fish and wildlife have a swat team. they raided gibson guitar with guns drawn, took their computer equipment. when they accused them of something which was breaking a foreign regulation. a law in india they were accused of breaking and penalized in the u.s. for breaking a law in the india. those are the kind of stories we write about. >> how come we haven't heard about that before? >> some of them you have heard. one the case of john and judy. they were selling bun anies in missouri. they fined $95,000 for having a wrong permit. the government said you can pay on the website. if you don't pay in thirty days you'll owe $3.1 billion. it's the kind of stuff the government is doing to bully people, and we frankly think it needs to stop. they're doing the same with confiscating people's land and saying you can't build on it because it's a wetland. even though there isn't a pond or stream on the land. >> as a senator, what can you do to change policy? >>
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